In this episode, Dr. Dino Patti Djalal sits down with Olaf Scholz (Federal Chancellor of Germany, 2021–2025) to discuss the emerging world order, the future of the West, German foreign policy, the idea of "Bandung 2.0", and much more.

Now entering the third year, the Emerging Middle Powers Initiative (KEMP) explores how senior experts and decision-makers in Germany, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Africa views their countries’ roles in the world. This initiative is conducted by a consortium of think tanks: Körber-Stiftung, Foreign Policy Community of Indonesia (FPCI), BRICS Policy Center, South African Institute of International Affairs (SAIIA), and Gateway House Indian Council on Global Relations.